It’s always an amazing feeling to be asked to come on a podcast and this time I got to chat with my favorite person in the world & Professional Speaker Coach, Colin Ryan.

In our conversation we talk about:

🎤  What to do when when cliché advice like “Just love yourself” doesn’t do anything for you.

🎤  How I came to realize that workshop presenting IS speaking, and what I learned from giving 50 (!) workshops in 2020.

🎤  The results I’ve achieved by acknowledging that the world is probably not going to put a microphone in my hands and dub me a speaker.

You can give it a listen on your fav. podcast app by searching for “The Courageous Presenter Podcast” or listening with the podcast player above.


 I really believe that people think that you’re just supposed to wait around, and people will recognize your contributions, or people will all of a sudden give you a title of some sort. When really, you can just you get to choose what those are for yourself. 


Podcast Transcript


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Colin Ryan, Lindsey Lathrop


Lindsey Lathrop 00:00

Anytime you have eyes on you is a speaking moment. That is a moment where you have the spotlight and so you get to decide what you want to do with that spotlight. What a gift.


Colin Ryan 00:13

This is Courageous Presenters, the podcast that interviews public speakers that have all kinds of insights on eliminating anxiety, unforgettable presenting, and how speaking can help you stand out, generate income and change the world. And now here’s your host… 10 year plus comedic financial speaker, author and executive speaking coach, Colin Ryan. Ford, for real. Pull up my notes here.


Lindsey Lathrop 00:46

Are you nervous?


Colin Ryan 00:47

Well always a little bit at first because it feels awkward. You know? I mean, it’s, it’s what you talk about? It’s getting used to the record light. Yeah. Being on. It always feels like you’re Playing for Keeps for some reason, when you turn on the recording, which is not really the most productive or accurate way to look at it. Yeah. Cool. Welcome back. I am so glad you’re here with me to enjoy this interview that I’m that I’m gonna do. I wouldn’t do this with other people either. I’m just gonna…


Lindsey Lathrop 01:17

But I’m your wife.


Colin Ryan 01:25

Take that one again. That was our Hey, you got to burn one of those out. You got to sort of


Lindsey Lathrop 01:33

I hope we do it five more times.


Colin Ryan 01:37

Okay, take two. Hello, and welcome back to the podcast. My name is Colin and I have a very special guest today. I am so excited to interview. This is a person that I have learned endless things from a person whose counsel I often seek a person who makes me laugh, a person who builds people up. I don’t want to build this up any further. I am talking about Lindsey Lathrop, a self promotion and negotiation coach who I happen to have the good fortune to be married to. And I wanted to bring her on the podcast today. Because I haven’t feel like the conversations that I get to have with her are so enlightening. And so, you know, they’re just they’re eye opening. And she’s good at helping people break down the chaos of their business or, or the unknown challenge ahead into steps and into a designed path. Right, which is such? I mean, of course, what an incredibly valuable skill. All right, so I’m going to bring her on. Lindsey, thank you for being here.


Lindsey Lathrop 02:43

Thank you so much for having me. And like What a treat we’re not having this conversation in the kitchen or in the living room.


Colin Ryan 02:53

It does feel sort of like that, though, doesn’t it?


Lindsey Lathrop 02:56

Yeah, it does. mean, you know, like this is it’s funny, because this is such a familiar feeling. I mean, not the podcasting part, but the well we kind of having these conversations. So this is like, I feel so happy to be part of this.


Colin Ryan 03:14

Oh, gosh, -same and you know, I don’t want you to downplay in any way, you know, I know you’re someone who is interviewed and who is sought out for advice. And, you know, we often are chatting in the kitchen, and I will sort of turn to you and say this should be a podcast. This is great. So I mean, I’m equally thrilled, if not more to be able to chat with you. So, you know, I think I would love people to get a sense of what you do. And and maybe a way to talk about that is is just to share with us Why do you do the work that you do? And what do you the people who work with you, your clients? What do they experience?


Lindsey Lathrop 03:55

Sure. So I would say the number one thing that my clients struggle with is feeling like they don’t necessarily deserve or are they don’t feel worthy of some aspect of success that they want. And so what they do is they put all of these fears and limiting beliefs and excuses in front of them instead of taking action. So I’m sure that is probably one of the most relatable feelings in the world. And I know that you and I have talked a lot about this, our, you know, our own imposter syndrome. And I know you’ve talked about that on the show. And so, really, I think about the stories that you know, we tell ourselves and the stories that are being told to us in the world and as a coach, my job is really to help these people understand my clients understand that they already have the answers. They already have them they know and it’s my job to get them. Get those answers out and also to shine a light on what those next steps And then hold them accountable to do the, you know, hold them accountable to the intentions that they have articulated, are really purposeful and important to them. So that’s what I do. And, you know, my bigger mission is really to help women and underrepresented people, you know, I want to lift them up, I want to like the glass ceiling is real. But we can really we have more control than we think around putting ourselves out there, self promoting, negotiating all of that good stuff.


Colin Ryan 05:34

Yeah, agreed. And I think something that you do so, so well, and I think you just shined a light on it is, you know, you help people start, you help people create momentum when they are stuck. But what I’m also hearing what you’re sharing is that there is a deeper care that you’re providing for people just by reminding them that they have the tools already, or they have the strength, because I’m sure that’s not how you feel when you feel stuck.


Lindsey Lathrop 06:02

Yeah, it’s interesting, because, you know, sometimes, sometimes I can be, you know, if I’m not on zoom, and they can’t see me, but I, I can be, you know, almost in tears listening to some of my clients say some of the stuff that they say to themselves, it’s so mean, it’s just like, and I just think about the daily grind of that, you know, and I’m not sitting here saying that, I don’t experience that. But there’s, you know, I think, the more you can shine light on what you’re telling yourself, the more you are able to either have someone else say like, wow, would you ever say that to someone else? And, and really see what the truth is, and you’ll often see that there isn’t a truth or if there is a truth, you can at least, you know, use that to work it out. So,


Colin Ryan 06:56

yeah. I mean, I love this phrase that you’re you’re using the stories that we tell ourselves, you know, I can hear in there a personal connection. And so I thought, if you look back on your life, maybe even into childhood, what are the stories that you, you told yourself, you know, where where did those stories come from?


Lindsey Lathrop 07:18

Yeah. Well, you know, I think the earliest story that I have, among many, but the one that is coming to mind right now is growing up heavy. So I was a heavy kid. And I felt great shame and embarrassment about that. I was pretty shy, which is always surprising to a lot of people who know me, because I’m pretty. Now I’m very quick to, you know, share about myself and, and, but I really got used to being unseen, and I got used to hiding. And that was intentional, because I didn’t want people to look at me, I didn’t want to be the center of focus. It’s it felt really uncomfortable. And that’s because I felt really uncomfortable in my body. And I didn’t know how to change that I didn’t, I grew up in a family full of this probably is really funny. But like, I was the chubby one, like I had all these skinny, my sister was skinny, my parents were skinny. And then there was me, you know, and I, I loved cookies, and I still do. But there was more going on to that. And I think the big thing is the hiding and feeling like I didn’t have I didn’t have worth because I wasn’t skinny, you know, this idea. And, you know, I’m not I’m not going to blame myself 100% for that. I mean, like, look at all the messages that we all receive about how we should look right. But, you know, I think what’s really helpful or has been helpful is how much work I’ve done around, you know, like, the, the value the amount of time I’m spending on like thinking about whether or not I have a thigh gap. Like I could do sure I could like do so much more with my time. And it was that thought it was that an efficiency thought and you know me I’m like all about efficiency. I was like lens, you are spending so much time on this. And this is literally like it’s the most uninteresting thing about you. No one cares. And it’s it’s interesting, because that frees it actually has like, it’s probably one, you know, people have ever seen any of my stuff on Instagram or whatever. But I often will say something like, no one is looking at you or no one cares, because they don’t like they’re doing they have their own stuff. And yet we think that everyone is always looking at us. So anyway, that is for me, I think one of the launch points to dive into wanting to dive deeper into those stories.


Colin Ryan 09:57

Wow. I mean, yeah, and I think that You know, insecurities are, are not in our head, they’re not our fault. They are created by all of the messaging and, and these, you know, really high bars that are set for us. And, you know, I can say, as a person with, I guess I would say very good metabolism and been very fortunate. You know, I also grew up thinking I was hideous and not smart enough and not interesting enough. And so, yeah, the messages will get you one way or another. But what I love about what you’re sharing is that you came to a point of decision about it, where you took control of the narrative and said, You know, I have this thought, I don’t see it as a vision, which is, by the way, the most Lindsey, I think, way to address something is, is to say, you know, this insecurity is inefficient. Mm hmm. And I say that as a compliment. Because I think, you know, we’re kind of, I don’t know, I think most of the time. The reason I like that is because most of the time it’s framed as you know, believe in yourself. See yourself as beautiful love the skin you’re in and there’s I don’t think there’s anything wrong with those messages. But for you, it was actually, this is a poor use of my time.


Lindsey Lathrop 11:14

Yeah. Oh, yeah.


Colin Ryan 11:17

It’s so great. Yeah. Other way to attack the problem. Yeah.


Lindsey Lathrop 11:21

Yeah, it was the pep talk that I personally needed to give to myself, and everyone is going to relate to a different pep talk. I personally, am not, you know, big into, like, just love yourself. You know, it’s like, of course, of course. And that just doesn’t do any. I’m like, What do I do with that?


Colin Ryan 11:39

Yeah. Yeah. And I love that, you know, you found a fresh way to approach it, because I think those those messages that are overused, I love the definition of the word cliche, which is a powerful truth that has become stale through over use, you know, it didn’t start out as a false note. It started out as a brilliant insight, and then they just got done to death. Sure. And so when you spend your whole life being told love yourself, I can imagine that would bring up a lot of baggage about, you know, this, you’re not the first person to tell me this. I’ve been hearing this for decades. I don’t feel like I’m any closer to the goal.


Lindsey Lathrop 12:25

Well, it’s too big of a jump. Right? Yeah. You know, you and I both are huge fans of Carlo and styles coaching and her podcast. And, you know, she talks about this idea of the thought ladder. And so what I love about the thought that I ended up using and was effective, this idea of like, this is not an efficient thought, or this is not a good use of your time is that it’s neutral. No, it’s not the opposite of I hate my body. And then I now love my body, that would have been way too big of jump for me. Yeah, I needed something in the middle. And I think people tend to brace themselves, if they don’t immediately go to the opposite thought. And it doesn’t your brain doesn’t work that way. Just like action doesn’t work that way, just like speaking doesn’t work that way. Well, you have to break it down.


Colin Ryan 13:15

Wow. That’s so I mean, what a what a benefit to people who work with you to have that energy and have that more systematic approach. And I know that you, you say that, I mean, I love what you’ve shared so far, because it really shows your own, you know, what you bring to this, you’re not just giving generic and advice, you’re, you’re walking, you’ve walked a lot of this path, and continue to walk this path of personal growth and, and, and chasing insight. And I also know that you have a really big impact. You partnered with Google’s hashtag, I’m remarkable. You’ve done a ton of presentations with them with with clients from all over the world from, you know, huge companies and from you know, numerous countries. And I think what’s interesting about that is you know, your persistence, your your drive to support people. And then you were named a top 100, global facilitator for Google’s hashtag, I’m remarkable, which is, which is incredible. I’d love to hear a little bit about your experience of, of talking to these people all over the world and then being recognized for for your work. Yeah,


Lindsey Lathrop 14:28

thank you. I made a really smart decision, you guys. So having finding this initiative, first of all, was just happenstance. I was doing the scrolling scroll. And I came across this initiative that Google had started a few years ago that was really hashtag and remarkable is really about helping challenge the perception not only our own self perception, but the perception of others around self promotion, and then challenging ourselves to learn self promotion. skills. And you know, both men and women tend to frown upon women who are self promotional. And there’s been research, recent research. So this isn’t, you know, like back in like, the 50s to the 80s. This is like now we still get, you know Berkeley about women who are talking about achievements that they may have had or they’ve had in their lives. And so when I came across this initiative, I learned that you could become a facilitator. And so I became trained in early 20 2020. And yeah, I have been doing these workshops for all all kinds of groups, for my coaching business. They’re so fun. And the biggest thing, in terms of growing my own speaking confidence, was booking these book, having dates on my calendar, where I have to show up in front of groups and deliver this presentation. And now, you know, I’ve done I’ve done probably at least 50 of this workshop. So that’s not nothing. And, you know,


Colin Ryan 16:10

I’m sorry to interrupt is that last year, this year?


Lindsey Lathrop 16:15

Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, and I’ve done, I did them in person before the pandemic, and, you know, obviously, switch to virtual, but there, there is something about doing the minutes. And I remember you telling me this, like, when I back, you know, back a few years ago, I in, you know, you obviously know about this, because you helped me a great deal. But I had full on panic attacks before I would speak. And, you know, I would get butterflies, I’d get the red, you know, the red neck, my throat would close, like all of it. And I remember you telling me like, you just got to do the minutes. And I’m like, I want to do anything about them.


Colin Ryan 16:55




and yet, like, it’s true, there is no other way through it, you just have to do it.


Colin Ryan 17:03

Well, you know, thank you for shining a light on that. I think very simple, but but actually really profound thought. And I will say that, the idea of just doing the minute that scares you. And then the next minute, and the next minute came from my own relationship to fear. Where I thought is similar to what you said about just love yourself. It’s, you know, we live in a world that says just do it, you know, face your fear. And I think it’s, it’s along the same lines of like, Well, okay, but I don’t want to, but I’m terrified. You can’t just say face your fear. And you’re not removing the pain by saying that. So, for me, I was trying to break it down into the smallest increment that I wouldn’t be able to walk away from. And so yeah, I think in many areas of my life, I’ve used to do the minutes philosophy. I just did air quotes. I think that was really, you know, good for the podcast.


Lindsey Lathrop 18:02

I heard it.


Colin Ryan 18:03

You heard it.


Lindsey Lathrop 18:06

I know your air quote, voice?


Colin Ryan 18:09

I guess you did, didn’t you? Yeah.



And, and, you know, yes, of course, like, there is, there is something to the Just do it. But there’s also you have to have a bigger why, you know, like, I think back to you know, I’m not sitting here trying to learn to be a better speaker, because I want to speak about how much I love green paint, which is true, I love all shades of green. But I am sitting here learning public speaking skills and challenging myself to do that more, because I really believe that women need a place in this world and deserve a place in this world. And, and, to me, that is a purpose that I have while I’m on earth. And wow, you need to have a clear idea of what you want your platform to do for you. And I think before, you know, before in my career, you know, we think a lot about identity. And it’s interesting being married to you for many reasons. But in all the best ways, of course, well,


Lindsey Lathrop 19:20

only the best ways


Colin Ryan 19:23

I don’t want to cut this short, you know, yeah. We’re done. We’re done.


Lindsey Lathrop 19:28

No, but you know, when you are married to a professional speaker, you feel like there’s room for one, you know, like there’s room only room for one professional speaker and the family kind of thing. And so I just never saw myself as a speaker. You know, I of course, like lead workshops and facilitated but I never really saw that as a speaking. I didn’t think that was speaking because it wasn’t a keynote. You know, and and that’s really what I thought speaking was like, Oh, you get booked for a keynote because that’s what I always saw you do. And it dawned on me that really like, anytime you have eyes on you is a speaking moment. Like that is a moment where you have the spotlight. And so you get to decide what you want to do with that spotlight. Like what a gift.


Colin Ryan 20:18

Yeah, I love that. And I, you know, I think you again, are perfectly illustrating the message that you have for your clients, which is, you know, promote yourself, no one else is going to do that for you. And I know with speaking, you just started booking these, these workshops. And through that, I guess, let’s call it less glamorous path of not waiting for somebody to request you and, and bring you to a thing you’re now getting requested and being brought to speak at at things like conferences and events. And so that feels like an unlearning that happened for you. You You unlearned this idea that you just have to be a great speaker and then wait, and it’ll come to you, you have to go get it?


Lindsey Lathrop 21:03

Yes. Can we stay on this point for a moment?


Colin Ryan 21:06




I think that this is it deserves its own spotlight. Because I really believe that people think that you’re just supposed to wait around, and people will recognize your contributions, or people will all of a sudden give you a title of some sort. When really, you can just you get to choose what those are for yourself. You know, and I think the best example I can give at this moment is thinking about your LinkedIn headline, a lot of people will think, Oh, well, and LinkedIn does this thing where they pull your most recent professional experience and make it your headline. And what a miss, you know, I’m not just that last job I had, or my current job, I am so much more. And so you know, even thinking about adding speaker or facilitator to your headline, if that is a key role in what you are currently doing or want to do aspirationally add it because the only way that you are going to show people that you are open to those kinds of opportunities is if you tell them people will not read your mind. And so there was there was something that happened a shift that happened. And it wasn’t like this, you know, aha moment or something. But there was a shift for me where I was like, no Lindsey, you are “You are a speaker.” And, and from that place that new identity, I started to think like, well, what would a speaker do in this case? Well, they would reach out to that group and ask them if they need a speaker.



Yeah, exactly. What would a speaker do? Gosh, I love that. I think this is a great example of an idea I will never stop talking about, which is that not only is storytelling, the number one way to hook your audience to make your message, live in their mind and in their life. It’s also the number one way for you to build a path for your business. And for your impact is to put yourself into the story. And to say, and you may remember this, this idea because I shared this a long time ago with a group of students at a graduation ceremony, if you recall, oh, yeah. And I said, you know, you’re the author of your own story, which means you get to decide what’s the most interesting and brave and memorable thing that I could do next. But you’re also the character, which means, okay, I’ve identified what it is guaranteed, it’s uncomfortable and frightening. So now, I need to muster the courage and throw myself into action and actually do it. And when you do those two things, what happens is exactly what you said, What would a speaker do? a speaker would reach out and put their whole knowledge and talent on the line with the promise, I’m going to make your event, you know, unforgettable, the best it could possibly be by bringing my message to it. Let’s get started. You know, when can we work together?


Lindsey Lathrop 24:14

Yeah, for sure. And they would make sure that they have the tech they need and the mentors and the, you know, the feel really great about the content that they’re delivering, you know, like, you act as if you act as the person and like, it sounds again, cliche, but you do become it. And I don’t know that I was ready to hear that, you know, few years ago, but I certainly certainly, now see it. And, you know, it’s one of those things that you just need to experience for yourself.


Colin Ryan 24:49

Well, that’s that’s so tantalizing. I mean, you are living it and I can imagine listening to this right now listen to what you’re sharing. There would be this desire to experience that transformation, you know, for yourself. And so I think, you know, for someone listening who’s like, I want to have that I want to speak more I want more platform I want, you know, a louder voice. What is? What is the message you have for them? Should they think I want all that, but I don’t think I can improve in the area of public speaking.



It’s so much more about. It’s so much more about how you are making your listeners feel than it is about what you are saying. Oh, that’s great. That’s great news. Because I think what we get in our way about is being enough of an expert, and that’s me doing my air quote, voice, but Oh, yeah, this idea? You got that? Yeah. And so this word expert is really problematic, because what does it even mean? You know, is there someone like giving out expert award? Well, maybe like Nobel? Maybe, okay, fine. But


Colin Ryan 26:12

you know, walked yourself into the identity loophole, because that’s a very small group and a very rare prize. So I think your message is still very, very accurate.


Lindsey Lathrop 26:22

Thank you. And, you know, like, to me, who is more interesting, you know, now I’m, like, really, like digging into this. Yeah, I was going to say people who are open to learning, like people who don’t have all the answers, and it’s a beautiful thing to start from the place of, I don’t know. And, you know, that still, that means you have something to say, you know, and there are a lot of other people out there who feel the exact same way as you. And again, like, if you can show them that you are still showing up, you still deserve to, you know, share a message then like, they’ll feel like they do too. And what I love about, you know, the idea of being in control of your energy, like energy is so much more about, you know, it’s so much more in your control, you can drink water, you can eat well, you can wear your like, outfit that makes you happy, or maybe just like the shirt, because like, all we see is the top half now, you know, like, there are things that you can do to make yourself feel really great. And when you do that, when you put out that energy, and that smile, like people will will return it back to you because we have mirror neurons, and our neurons mirror each other. And so you are you are in, you are in so much more control of like how people are feeling and experiencing your message. It’s so it’s incredible. And so I say all of this, because that is probably the most common compliment I get after any sort of speaking is, Lindsey, you created such a nice space, it felt safe. You know, I’ve never seen this group share in the way that they just shared with you. And that is all intentionally created.


Colin Ryan 28:11

Wow. I mean, congrats. I, you know, when I talk to people aspiring to present more, this is always the thing is like, I want them to ask, what is it that you want people to walk away saying, obviously, in terms of your message, what do you want them to walk away and do to improve their lives? But so that you can speak more? What is the thing that you want them to walk away and say, and if you can, if you can get them to say we shared in a way we’ve never shared before. It was a safe and positive and fun space. You know, it was a conversation, not a lecture. You’re there. You know? Yeah, and I think that’s important because there are so many. We talked about unlearning a little while ago. I think a lot of the unlearning is required. Because there is sort of a boilerplate formulaic approach to speaking. You know, you need three points, you need to sort of walk around the stage. You know, some of these things you need to not talk about yourself, but just about your message. Your slides need to be really, you know, dynamic and professional. A lot of these things are assumptions that don’t actually bear out. All you need to do is to get your audience to love that moment that they’re in with you, and to do business with whatever is blocking them from the life that they really want. Right, which you believe that they can have. And that’s why I love what you’re saying about sending out that energy. That’s like, I know that you’ve got this.



Yeah, like energy creates energy creates energy, right. So to me – Like, that’s what we’re all here to do. We are all here to create energy to change the world and how we want it to change. And, you know, leave it better, like leave everyone in a better situation. And so, to me, it’s well worth getting over your fears of, you know, what, like, probably the biggest fear I struggled with is just being made fun of or, you know, people thinking like, Who does she think she is that she gets to be up there. And now it’s just like, I think about that. I’m like, well, who am I not to be like, yeah, I, I deserve to be in this spot. And I did everything that I needed to do to be here. And like, I’m going to make the most of it, like, join me. Join me, you’re there. I’m here. Like, let’s do this thing. And, you know, like, it doesn’t matter. Because after even if I didn’t say, you know, even this podcast right now, like, even if I’m not, you know, saying everything that I wanted to say, we’re all just going to go back to our lives, you know, you just got to make it. It’s, it’s not a big deal. Isn’t it’s not? Right. It’s both and,


Colin Ryan 31:19

well, it’s a big opportunity. And it says it’s an opportunity for the message. But I think we we can tangle that up with just people liking us, I always think about this really funny memory of a writer’s group I attended, where we would read people’s writing, obviously, and then give them feedback. And we would have the person guide us, you know, what is the kind of feedback you’re looking for, as we read this, and I remember, this one guy said, You know, I want you to tell me, you know, if it’s good, blah, blah, blah, but honestly, I just want to know, if you like me, just always stuck with me as like, that’s kind of it, isn’t it? And, and it’s also in a way, you know, not it, it’s, it’s, it’s, you want to sell that for yourself. And that’s not your audience’s job. But I also think that’s what makes us, us human and, and in order to speak more, you know, use the phrase that I want to, you know, is really important to me this, who do you think you are? phrase, you know, is is such an important example of something, not to spend a lot of time with, because I think you’ll find that the people who are truly successful, the people who are in the spotlight more often than maybe, you know, then or as often as you would like to be there the people who have learned how to not engage with that question. That’s not a question for me to answer. It’s my job to go forward and to, you know, bring value. It’s not my job to try to answer this mythical rhetorical, impossible. Question of Who do you think you are? Which no audience would ever, ever say to you?


Lindsey Lathrop 33:08

Well, and and like, you know, I’m thinking about people. I was just listening to a podcast with Tim Ferriss. And he was talking about, you know, he knew that he was reviewed in a bad way, just given something he had shared about his personal life. And so he knew that people were talking about this, and he told his team, I do not want to see, I do not want to see the things that people are saying, yeah. And I thought that was really smart. Because he is protected. Like, what purpose would that? What good would that have done for him to know all the bad stuff? And I’m not. And I’m not saying that you shouldn’t be open to feedback. That is not what I’m saying. I think that it really, it does behoove us to get feedback. But this is different. This is just like, you know, people hiding out on the internet being mean, and, you know, it’s, it’s like, even if you, you know, did a bad speech, and you just were not in your zone, you would up for whatever reason? Sure. I don’t know. Like, I don’t know that I would even go through the reviews after yesterday, like I don’t. Because what what good would that have done if you knew that it was like you just were off, like you already know what you need to know. And I would just move on, because it’s going to take you further away from getting on stage again, then that’s not the direction. That’s not the direction you want to go in.


Colin Ryan 34:40

I love that. I think that’s a great example of you know, your courage is better spent in other areas of your life than overcoming someone’s cruel, unnecessarily cruel review of your of your work and I always think, take yourself back to the fact that you are standing on a stage, you are on screen as the presenter, that’s the courage, you’ve already shown the courage to do this. Let’s focus on that. Let’s not obsess over that one person who, you know, said something that really jarred you. Let’s focus on the fact that you showed up in the first place. That’s, that’s courage. I feel like this has become my favorite type of conversation, which is a motivational moment for people to speak more, right? This is always the thing I want to send out. And as someone who’s done a lot of presentations, you know, and is a coach is really good at boiling down the chaos to a next step, what is the next step for people so that they can, you know, speak more and develop their craft? What do they need to do to make that happen?


Lindsey Lathrop 35:56

I want you to set a date, I want you to set a date, as soon as you are done with this episode. That’s what I want you to do. And that could be you want to create a moment, a speaking moment for yourself. So that could be as simple as creating a private Facebook group for yourself and doing a facebook live on a topic that you’re interested in. It could be writing a LinkedIn article, you know, who says that speaking as to be only, you know, words, you could, you know, well words or an article, but you know what I mean, speaking out loud, that could be doing a webinar for like five people that you trust and want to do a webinar, you know, run through with, like, it could be anything, you could film yourself, and never ever share it or just show your dog like it. But the like, just, if you need some creative, you know, like, what would you even speak about? Just Google like, fun, reflective questions, and you’ll get a million of them. And then you can just answer them, you know, or you can use it to practice interviewing or practice interviewing, you know, doing a podcast interview, there’s so many ways that you can have a speaking moment, but the biggest, most important step is to set the date.


Colin Ryan 37:17

Wow. Yeah. And what I love about that is I can imagine, that can send chills down the spine. For somebody who was inspired to speak more, but is facing that fear. And I just want to say, Good for you. You’re on the path. You’re getting braver by the minute do the minutes, like Lindsey has done. She is an incredible example of putting yourself in the story and saying, What do I want this story? To be like? One more question. I could no but notice you saying you know you could practice your speech on your dog? It got me thinking about what kind of message would our dog like to hear in a presentation? What would surprise Remy? I think Grammys biggest surprise would be like this is not have the level of baby talk. Yeah, I’m used to a high frequency of baby talking ridiculous names. This feels quite pro level.


Lindsey Lathrop 38:12

He would want audience involvement. I think, you know, he would want he would want some sort. He’d want to watch your juggling for sure. So that was in. If that was part of the deal. I think you would be into it. I mean, the other thing that comes to mind is having a red laser pointer.


Colin Ryan 38:32

This is good for the cat owners as well. We don’t want Yeah, exclusive. Yeah, I think you’re right. You know, there’s a great piece of wisdom in there is make it interactive. Bring props, if you can. And I just want to clarify, I do not juggle in my keynote. I don’t want to give the wrong impression if anybody wants me to I’m more than happy to find some, some way to work that in but that’s, I view those as very separate.


Lindsey Lathrop 39:02

That’s very funny. I didn’t even think of that.


Colin Ryan 39:07

How can people find you? Where can they learn more about your work? How can they benefit from the good message and the positivity and the good energy that you put out into the world?



Sure. So my website is And I’m on the ‘gram at coach_lins – L i n s. And then I also have a Facebook group which is called Remarkable Wednesdays and I love this group because this is where people can go on on Wednesdays and and brag. I want you to get in the habit and practice of sharing and accomplishment or win out loud. And it’s just a really supportive, fun safe group. So you are more than welcome to look into that and join and I will be putting out more workshop dates for hashtag I am remarkable. So those will all be on my website.



Awesome. Lindsey, thank you so much. It’s been, as usual, one of my favorite conversations. Oh,



Thank you so much. And thanks for building this as an opportunity for so many people.



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